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Posted 04 August 2016 - 11:57 AM

Yes, I like it :) You recovered a few stars in the previously overexposed area :)

And the colors are pretty nice.

 

This 100% zoom trails are tedious. It is visible but when looking at it in the print size, and taking into consideration the megapixels count it may turn out that trails will... vanish :)

 

Anyway just have fun. That's what is most important in my case. Little star trails? Meh, whatever ;)


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 05:33 PM

If you like astrophotography, or at least are a little excited ( even temporarily ) about it, put some time into creating ( assembling ) a "barn door" tracker or a "scotch mount" ;)



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 11:21 PM

Excellent idea Bill, barn door trackers are easy & cheap to build and can get you a few minutes of exposure time without trailing.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 03:43 PM

Nice DIY idea but personally I'm thinking bout this :)

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 03:55 PM

If you're only looking to shoot relatively short exposures and with wide angle lenses go for it.
If you plan on doing 200mm+ with heavy lenses then don't even think about it ( too much weight for the device and not enough precision ), the only solution for that kind of shots is a GEQ ( German EQuatorial Mount ), ideally coupled with an autoguider system and a GoTo control as well ( autoguider allows for accurate tracking for 10min+ exposures, GoTo system points you camera to the part of the sky that you choose, anything you desire to shoot, just select it from the software and the mount turns and dead centers it :D



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 03:21 AM

How about this? http://astrotrac.com/ 

I did have my eyes on it a while back so just thought of adding it to the pile in this thread! 

Also, worth sharing this nice write-up: http://www.budgetast...pod-part-1.html

Cheers  :D



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 03:41 AM

Better than the Polarie, but still not good enough to capture well the deepest DSOs.

Depends on what you want and how patient you are, the Astrotrac is a good start for aspiring astrophotographers.
My initial thought was getting one, but then again, I said to myself, why spend $500 when you can spend $1.7k in a few months and get the whole thing ( sturdy GEQ mount + tripod + telescope + goto )



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 04:46 AM

Yes Bill that's truth what you're saying but. You have to say at some point 'that's it'. That's the all I can and should get to  ......... [insert your reason].

You can always say. Why should I buy this if I can save x more $ to get that. And when you get this amount of money your level rise up again cause there is always something better at which you can save a little more. Like a race without a finish lane.

 

Of course you can spend 1700$ for a mount, tripod, telescope and goto but it is already higher level. You will have to have a lot of space to keep it. It is not a DLSR with even a big 500mm lens which you can just put in your backpack and go for a hunt.

 

Location is crucial. Having a car is crucial. If you live in a home in rural area, have a car to go to the even more darker space just buy a telescope for $2k at least, because it will be worth it. When you're living in the city, in a flat, don't have a car and any possibility to get to the dark area is to get a friend once in a while to get you 2hrs away in a car or in a bus, you won't take a 40kg telescope with another 20kg equipment.

You take one backpack with DLSR, a few lenses (wide and zoom) and a not so heavy tripod. In such a case polarie or astrotrac will be just fine. I can track wide lens and stack zoom one.

 

Of course I could buy a telescope. I can right now spend $5k to buy one + gear but unfortunately it is not worth it.

We live in very dark times. Which is pretty funny when you realize that by dark times I mean the very light times because of light pollution. So it is already so bright that we're literally blind in the night. The only difference is that you can see everything on your way but nothing in the sky. I better liked the opposite situation, which I can clearly remember in the 80's.

 

I know that I could see that about 2hrs from my place:

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But now I am happy with only that :)

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And I know that in this location and job I've got I won't buy a telescope or any more expensive gear :)

That's the reason for Polarie or mentioned Astrotrac :)



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:29 AM

[...] when you can spend $1.7k in a few months and get the whole thing ( sturdy GEQ mount + tripod + telescope + goto )

 

Hi Bill, could you be so kind to show a reference equipment for this setup? (I mean, which products, etc)

Ideally one where you connect at the end a nikon camera to take shot of what you see with the telescope. Thanks a lot!

 

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:40 AM

Hi Bill, could you be so kind to show a reference equipment for this setup? (I mean, which products, etc)

Ideally one where you connect at the end a nikon camera to take shot of what you see with the telescope. Thanks a lot!

 

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The all time classic
HEQ5 by Sky-Watcher

 

https://www.skywatch...tail.php?sid=59

 

That alone can be used as a tracking mount to use your camera along with a tele lens.

Or you can...

add a telescope and use that as prime focus ( mount the telescope directly to the camera, no camera lens in between )

 

and if you get very serious about it, and you are going to for example, remove the IR filter off your camera sensor, and want to get the very best shots of emission nebulas and other DSOs, then you can also add an autoguider to allow for high precision 15min+ exposures.

 

How big of a telescope you'll get depends on what you want to shoot.
You can always add focal reducers ( think of an invert teleconverter ) to widen the field of view ( alas lower the magnification ratio ) to get everything you want in the frame ( for example a very high mag. ratio can prevent you from having the whole Horsehead nebulae in the frame )



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:13 AM

This mount is great but a little overkill for me to guide only a DLSR :D



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:18 AM

The astrotrac is a better suit for you rospondek ;)



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:24 AM

Me want one ..  :wub:

Thanks Bill  ;)


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Posted 13 August 2016 - 03:20 AM

Bill, yup now after a little research, I can't not to agree with you :)
Next purchase ;)
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Posted 13 August 2016 - 04:56 AM

After serious wildlife equipment ( 600mm primes, etc ), astrophotography is easily the second most costly photography kind :D



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 05:03 AM

Costly? Why are you saying this?! You're just putting whatever lens on and pointing the whatever camera up then release the shutter and voila :D

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I was lately looking at the price of the nikon's 500mm prime. Barely $10k. I was like... m'kay... :huh:

For this money you can have an amazing telescope with the equipment.



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 05:18 AM

Yeap, IMHO any lens over 1k$ isn't worth it purely for astrophotography purposes.
You'll need a GEQ tracking mount anyway because the "astrophotography" brackets and simple tracking mounts can't handle such weight and lens sizes, so that's like spending 1.2k$ on astrophotography mount, tripod, etc without the telescope.
You'll get nice photos, but lower quality than with a telescope and you'll also have a smaller target group ( due to the limited focal length compared to having a telescope plus focal reducers for wider shots, etc ).



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 05:36 AM

Yes, the main question is. Are you focused or versatile photographer?

First one will buy lens OR telescope to get the best results in the normal photography OR astrophotography. I'm assuming that if s/he wants to be the best of the best from the best, won't spend spare money on anything besides the main focused area.

Second one will buy just lenses to get the most out of them. As you can make normal photo and astro with the lens, which is impossible with the telescope. For now I'm the second one :D

I know I can get very nice results from just the lenses. I just need guiding ;) And of course because of the lack of free space, and living in the city center and bla bla bla bla, telescope is too much right now :)



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:12 AM

It all depends on the "sacrifices" that you are willing to make.

 

It's logical to spend most of your budget on the area of photography that interests you the most.

I like doing some macro photography. But I love landscape & astrophotography a whole lot more.
I only got a Nikkor 105mm AF-S micro. I haven't bought a macro rail, nor a macro ring flash ( I have 3 regular speedlights with remote triggers, etc ), neither I do practice bad practices such as freezing wildlife for macro like some do.

Landscape photography drains most of my budget.
Just the travel expenses ( airplane tickets, boat tickets, gas, tolls, car maintenance, car rentals, hotels ) are enough to drive a person crazy.
If I resist from going out there to shoot landscapes for 1 1/2 year, I can buy a 600mm Nikon FL prime.

 

Choices, choices.



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:40 AM

Telescopes to macro lenses. From the galaxies to the atoms* :D

With the macro it is this extra cheap trick for indoor use. Reverse lens. Normal prime 50mm lens will give you a huge magnification. But only to use indoors. It is nearly impossible to take a proper sharp shot of a bug in the grass from the 2-3cm. The focus area is razor blade thin.

 

I like this as well but I'm not quite comfortable in the company of little bugs, mostly spiders of course, so I'm not looking that way in the terms of having full macro lens. Too much stress :D

 

*Did you ever wanted to have an electron microscope? :D





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