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#1 Terry W

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 10:37 PM

I was just looking into getting the Adobe CC for $9.99 a month. Am I missing something here? In the licensing they state:

 

Licenses to Your Content in Order to Operate the Services. We require certain licenses from you to your content to operate and enable the Services. When you upload content to the Services, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sub-licensable, and transferrable license to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify (so as to better showcase your content, for example), publicly perform, and translate the content as needed in response to user driven actions (such as when you choose to store privately or share your content with others). 

 

They are pretty much in line with Win 10 saying that they can use our content for anything they want or am I miss reading things and this is really nothing? Not that I would ever have pictures good enough for others to want but this stuff kind of concerns me. 

 

Am I just not reading things right?? I know this is the way things are heading.

 

Thanks for shedding any light on the subject as this would be my first venture into anything cloud.


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 01:10 AM

Adobe doesn't take your work and use it however they please. What they're talking about is if you use their cloud storage service that comes with a subscription they reserve the right to modify the file as part of the storage. They are not taking your content and selling it or using it for advertising. People would have a fit.


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 01:39 AM

I suspect it is all in the interpretation... Your lawyers vs theirs. (-: You missed out the paragraph about you giving them rights to your first born child.... (-:



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:14 AM

Adobe doesn't take your work and use it however they please. What they're talking about is if you use their cloud storage service that comes with a subscription they reserve the right to modify the file as part of the storage. They are not taking your content and selling it or using it for advertising. People would have a fit.

 

Spot on.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:49 PM

That's still a terrifying amount of rights being signed away.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:27 PM

That's still a terrifying amount of rights being signed away.

 

It's a technical requirement for storing and displaying content. You're basically giving them permission to compress your stored images if they choose or convert them to a different format if you're going to use their tools to host your images somehow.

 

What it all says in non-legal terms is "I give Adobe permission to take the images I upload to their stuff and make the necessary changes in order to display and store the content as I've requested."



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:54 PM

Doug I know you are much more knowledgeable than I am when It comes to computer however that is not what it says. It says they can do what ever they want to how ever they want to.  "We require certain licenses from you to your content to operate and enable the Services. When you upload content to the Services, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sub-licensable, and transferrable license to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify (so as to better showcase your content, for example), publicly perform, and translate the content as needed in response to user driven actions"

 

Whether they choose to or not does not really matter much to me. What irks me is that they can just do what they want.

 

Although you are most likely correct stating that they my only change things to store however I am not too keen on giving up all for the sake of using their software. I guess I am old school (and old) and have not yet grasped giving up my left nut just to borrow something. I know the time will come when I have to upgrade but for now I will just be keeping the software I own.

 

Thanks for all the feedback folks.


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:24 PM

My two cents, no way, no how would I agree to that! Thanks for bringing that to our attention Terry.
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Posted 24 November 2015 - 02:30 AM

No, they can't... OK, so everyone knows what's going on, you can read the full terms of service here. It's not long, it should take you a few minutes.

 

You're talking about sub-section 3.2 which has that passage. Sub-section 3.1, the section directly above it, explicitly says Adobe hold no rights of ownership over your work in any sense and that you retain full and sole ownership of anything they might have access to. They also state this at the very end of the first paragraph introducing the document. Right away that severely restricts what they can do. It limits all their rights to only those explicitly given by you to them and they've acknowledged that fact twice.

 

In 3.2 they keep saying they retain rights to do a bunch of stuff in order to facilitate "services" but if you go to the top you'll see that simply means Creative Cloud features and related services. It's very common in contracts to define terms at the beginning and then simply use that term as stand-in rather than repeating the entire thing every time. So every time they say they need these rights in order to facilitate the use of various services it means the stuff you're paying for.

 

The fear you guys seem to have is that Adobe is going to take your images and use them without paying you or giving you credit and you'll have no recourse against them. They can't do that. This agreement does not give them that authority. It explicitly states that a user (you) action is a requirement before any of the licensing agreement kicks into effect and that further use of that content is predicated on being a direct consequence of that action. In other words, they're saying that in order to do some of the things you might ask them to do they'll need certain kinds of permission and they're taking your action as granting that permission.

 

But permission to do what? Let's run through an example scenario: If you tell LightRoom to upload your images to Flickr then Lightroom is going to need to convert all your RAW files into something more manageable, connect to Flickr's API and upload the images to their servers along with any requisite metadata. Or, in order, they need access to your files, permission to use them, permission to hand them off to a third party, permission to modify them to valid filetypes, permission to pass along information about them and permission for Flickr to display them on the site where people can see them (if you set them as public).

 

Read through the rest of the document, nowhere else does it imply in any way that they can do what they want with your work. It's also important to remember this ToS isn't new, it's been around for years. People other than us have looked it over and been satisfied. Not just photographers and web designers like us, but legal teams of multi-million dollar advertising agencies. The art departments of large education institutions. Police departments and hospital medical imaging teams (two industries that looooove Photoshop). The idea that for the last 10–15 years we've all been secretly signing away our work so Adobe can use it as soon as they please and somehow no one's noticed just doesn't make sense to me.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 10:36 PM

Correct. And it would ensure no one used their software.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:59 PM

Correct. And it would ensure no one used their software.

 

Yeah. Photoshop may be the best game in town but I bet GIMP would find a whole lot of random investment and new pull requests in pretty short order were Adobe to pull something like that. In my experience we creatives are a touchy bunch at the best of times, haha. :D

 

Still wish someone would give Adobe a real run for it's money on that front... I keep hoping Pixelmator will be that app, or that someone will overhaul GIMP so the UI isn't worthy of an exorcism...



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Posted 14 December 2015 - 10:50 AM

this anyway only applies to files which are uploaded to the adobe cloud.
your nromal files at home are not affected - so whats the fuzz?



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Posted 14 December 2015 - 10:14 PM

this anyway only applies to files which are uploaded to the adobe cloud.
your nromal files at home are not affected - so whats the fuzz?

 

If Adobe really was trying to lay claim to my files in any way in any context I'd be pretty incensed.


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 11:09 PM

seriously if you read word for word every EULA you WILL find something ridiculous. 

 

just stop worrying about it. 



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Posted 29 December 2015 - 01:06 AM

seriously if you read word for word every EULA you WILL find something ridiculous. 

 

just stop worrying about it. 

 

I did read the whole EULA. Their's is actually surprisingly reader-friendly. And pretty reasonable, oddly.






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