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#1 tacoma559

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 09:26 PM

I would like some feedback on this idea.  Just to clarify, I wouldn't dare call myself a professional photographer.  

 

So my daughter goes to these volleyball tournaments where there are several other teams playing.  I took some photos of just our team at the last one and posted them on my Smugmug site to share with the parents. No charge for downloading.  

 

I know this is not a new idea, but what if I were to take action shots of the other teams and then hand out cards with my Smugmug site address on it?  Parents could then go and purchase pictures of their kids.  

 

Potential issues:  

1.  Do I need parents permission to photograph their kids?

2.  Do I need the teams permission?

3.  Am I allowed to sell images with the teams name on them?

 

There may be other questions I am not asking.  Any advice would be helpful.

 

Thanks



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 09:57 PM

Ask before the event and get permission, you may find yourself doing it full time!

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 05:47 AM

From experience here in the UK Tacoma, you are opening a can of worms, you need permission from everyone and their dog just case you inadvertently photography someone who doesn't want their photograph taking.

 

You need permission from the children's parents, the team and the gym to take shots and even then some locations and sporting societies require you to be checked by the police (CRB check here in the UK) before you can set foot on their premises. If you don't have a CRB check you must have something to hide a parent once told me??? WTF??? what has happened to common sense?

 

Once you have done all the jumping through hoops, you then put the pictures up on Snug mug or Flickr etc you will sell nothing because people can download your shots or do screen shots free of charge and it doesn't matter if they are small res images or they are watermarked right through the shot.

 

A friend who is a professional, photographed a mountain bike meeting at the weekend and all proceeds from the photograph sales where going to a charity of the meeting organisers choice, someone  downloaded a watermarked shot from my friends web site to use on their personal web site, my friend contacted the guy to inform him what he was doing a breach of copyright and the guy needed to either pay for the image or remove it from his site, the guy told him to get stuffed and I quote " so sue me! " 

 

Tread warily would be me advice.

 

cheers Chimpy 



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Posted 03 February 2015 - 02:08 PM

From experience here in the UK Tacoma, you are opening a can of worms, you need permission from everyone and their dog just case you inadvertently photography someone who doesn't want their photograph taking.

 

You need permission from the children's parents, the team and the gym to take shots and even then some locations and sporting societies require you to be checked by the police (CRB check here in the UK) before you can set foot on their premises. If you don't have a CRB check you must have something to hide a parent once told me??? WTF??? what has happened to common sense?

 

Once you have done all the jumping through hoops, you then put the pictures up on Snug mug or Flickr etc you will sell nothing because people can download your shots or do screen shots free of charge and it doesn't matter if they are small res images or they are watermarked right through the shot.

 

A friend who is a professional, photographed a mountain bike meeting at the weekend and all proceeds from the photograph sales where going to a charity of the meeting organisers choice, someone  downloaded a watermarked shot from my friends web site to use on their personal web site, my friend contacted the guy to inform him what he was doing a breach of copyright and the guy needed to either pay for the image or remove it from his site, the guy told him to get stuffed and I quote " so sue me! " 

 

Tread warily would be me advice.

 

cheers Chimpy 

Good post!  I just joined a photography club and the first meeting I attended, an attorney/photographer discussed copyright and all the pitfalls that accompany that.  And you're right, "so sue me" is what happens many, many times.  It's not worth the cost to stop someone unless there is a huge commercial value to what is being stolen.  It's a shame, but human nature being what it is.......

 

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 06:19 PM

I'd probly sue him just for the f u value.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 06:35 PM

I'd probly sue him just for the f u value.

Funny!!

 

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 06:51 PM

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 08:25 PM

Market the shots discretely to other parents daughter's team, do not post on line! If someone gives you a hard time tell them it's you hobby.

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 03:21 AM

Good luck with that, when the police or security get called be prepared to be harassed or arrested. I personally and friends have had experiences here in the UK that you would make your hair curl !

In the UK you don't even get your camera out if there is a slight chance a child being with 100yrds of you, you are deemed to be up to no good !

 

Parents have even been banned/stopped from photographing/videoing their own children performing in nativity plays ??? the mind boggles. 

 

Once, a friend I worked with ran a swimming club, he once asked me to photograph the clubs annual swimming gala. I worked in the NHS so I was police checked to work adults and checked to work with children but this wasn't enough for the sports center. They wanted me to get written permission from ALL the parents of the children who would be swimming, I also had to get checked (CRB) by the swimming clubs governing body at my expense (about 100 dollars) and after doing that they still told me there would be restrictions on what I could photograph. 

 

Needless to say the gala didn't get photographed, what happened to common sense? it seems all photographers must have a hidden agenda? The worlds gone mad.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:23 AM

We are afforded many more freedoms, guaranteed by the first amendment.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:06 AM

Paul, just wait till the politically correct nanny state catches up over there haha.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:22 AM

We have millions of nanny eating lawyers. The first amendment is a hurtle that many have tried to concure, but very few have, luckily.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 12:44 PM

In Canada it varies from province to province. Needless to say so far we do not require model release forms from wildlife yet!

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 01:00 PM

Is right Steve, and they don't expect shots for nothing lol. 


Is right Steve and they don't want stuff for free haha.






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