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#21 vladfrenkel

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 05:46 PM

@doug Same workflow as Lr with respect to PS. Either Open with or Edit with in Process Recipe with PS. So work flow would be very similar. Save as Psd or Tiff. It is here to compete with Lr and Camera Raw and not PS after all. Although it saves time for me dramatically so PS is really used for more advanced operations such as Retouch or complete color change...

LR is still good choice, but for people who is using C1, color editing for example, takes much less time and effort, cause of available tools. Curves are tremendously powerful in C1. Even in PS you can't change size of the curve to occupy an entire monitor in case you need to do very detailed adjustment...

 

And as far as Tony and Alex affiliation. You are rite, each one has their own approach. For me, I'd personally would love to see Tony to use any other tools (other than LR+PS) combination to make adjustments during live stream, youtube videos, etc.. .Cause honestly, it is indirect affiliation as well. 



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 06:02 PM

Another worthwhile read:
https://fstoppers.co...ssor-best-24769

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 06:19 PM

Yep, Michael has great retouch tutorial in C1 on youtube.



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 09:38 PM

Thanks for the article, added it to my reading list. And thanks for your thoughts as well, Vlad.

 

Ask yourself "how many Pros using 50-100k medium format digital backs use C1 and how many use LR..."
If you are a serious pro doing high end model photography for any major agency and 1 spot is open, one guy works with C1 one with LR guess who gets the Gig if all other factors are equal..

 

I have no idea how many pros use one vs. the other, and I doubt anyone has any real numbers on that. Speculation maybe.



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 10:06 PM

You are very welcome Doug.

BTW just came up with analogy, which I haven't realized yet.

PS reminds me of Windows OS and LR of IE. Although a lot of people using Windows with alternative in MacOS,Linux (eg PS vs alternative to Gif and Corel?) ...IE (LR) is not always the best choice for browsing. It is still gets job done...no problem there...but there are alternatives (Chrome (C1?), Firefox (DXO), Opera (SilkyPix?). If one company (MS, Adobe) makes one tool/OS good (PS, Windows), doesn't necessarily means that other tools built by the same company (IE,LR) is equally good, even though they seems to be complimenting the main software. Basically you could see where am I going with it... Somehow, I feel that new plan that Adobe offers (PS+LR) is similar to what has been done to Windows+IE earlier in 21st century...



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 10:45 PM

I get what you mean. And you're dead-on with not all apps by a company being of equal quality. InDesign is probably my pinnacle of Adobe knowing what they're doing with something like Fireworks being so very far down the end of the spectrum that it's obviously they couldn't care less about it.

 

I've been reading more articles and a lot of people keep saying how C1 has better RAW processing than LR. I've even seen some comparison images but it just seems weird to me that it would be the case. Does anyone have an explanation for why that is? Is it simply down to one or the other does different base processing of all RAW images as they come in? In which case would one or the other be more "true" to the original? Because I could see that being a huge selling point for professionals.



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:47 PM

According to PhaseOne they are testing every camera and every lens they claim to support. They actually do have laboratory in Denmark where from each camera/lens they'd have to take over 700 shots prior to creating what they'd call "Profile". Actually many cameras do have V2,V3,V4 profiles, cause they keep improving it to truly represent an environment. For example my camera is not very popular in the wild and just came out (less than a year really), and there is already V2 and V1 profile from PhaseOne for it. Also, they encourage you to use "native" RAW format rather than DNG, although DNG is also supported. For example, again in LR, my camera native RAW is not supported (has not be converted to DNG first). Again analogy comes to mind, perhaps DNG is ZIP? Popular, yes, easy to use and whats not, but RAR,BZ2, TAR and others (perhaps not as widely known) are much more powerful formats.



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Posted 22 November 2015 - 06:38 PM

True, but in the analogy ZIP does not change the data, it's just a compression algorithm. Though I don't know what Adobe's testing regimen is like. I would have hoped it would have involved working directly with camera manufacturers and their software engineers but perhaps they don't. Something else to look into.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 02:37 AM

Perhaps. Quality of the picture when C1 opens it, really shines. So my recommendation is just to try 30 days demo and see if it works for you.

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:10 AM

Vlad is right, seeing is believing. I LOVED LR. I was sceptical as heck about C1 being better. I did not need 30 days to evaluate it. It was more like 4 hours working with it to convince me.

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:10 AM

Yep. +1 from me. Loved Lr, some concepts still unbeatable on Lr for me (like full history rather than Ctrl-Z come on), but for me overall picture quality and most importantly time needed to achieve consistent picture quality for multiple shots is no doubt belongs to C1

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 08:00 PM

C1 v9 just been released. So far looks amazing. New Engine and all.
http://petapixel.com...iting-features/

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 08:22 PM

Weee!

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 08:30 PM

Luma curves, in layers!

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 09:51 PM

And even more extended review from Alex on the features delta.
http://captureoneblo...e-one-9-review/

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 01:11 AM

Added to my reading list.



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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:16 AM

Adding to my buy n download as soon as I get off work lol!

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:59 AM

As a workflow question, it seems like one of the really nice features is the distinction between a catalogue and a session. In my mind the way I could see myself using this is when I take my laptop on vacation, loading the images on there so I can do some processing and sorting during my down time, and then transferring that to my desktop at home for final processing and cataloguing. Right now I don't have a really good flow for that in LIghtroom (though admittedly I haven't looked into it much since it doesn't come up often) but that seems like a pretty good solution. Has anyone done this? Does it work as I'm imagining?

 

EDIT: I found a Wikipedia list of releases, seems like they're on a 1-2 year update cycle. Trying to do the math on buy vs. subscription. 



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Posted 02 December 2015 - 10:44 AM

Hi Doug.

Session could serve your needs. In this case you could export  with changes back to catalog once u done.

See here: http://blog.phaseone...of-both-worlds/

 

But actually, you could use catalog itself. U could leave main photos on external drive (assuming this is where you store your photos and u do not store photos "inside" the catalog ) and take notebook with you. Without actual access to photos, u still will be able to semi-work on the photos - eg add ratings, keywords, WB, exposure and even add layer corrections....even when the main file say "OFFLINE". You won't be able to export (convert to different format) while main files are not available, but once u are back home files will reconnect with all the adjustments.

See here: 

And here:

http://blog.phaseone...ture-one-pro-7/

 

Hope this helps.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:54 AM

Thanks for that. I agree with the first article, I really like the idea of Sessions to Catalogue.

 

OK, I need to get my trial going... 






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