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Posted 30 August 2017 - 08:22 AM

Thanks for including me in your thinking re: the list of lenses, though I am not on the threshold of D850 acquisition....YET..(-:



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 09:40 AM

according to that list I should not use the 200-500 on my 850 and my next longest lens is the 70-200... So I am going to need bigger lens to replace my 200-500.  hmm troublesome 



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:19 AM

according to that list I should not use the 200-500 on my 850 and my next longest lens is the 70-200... So I am going to need bigger lens to replace my 200-500.  hmm troublesome 

Yep - I saw that. 



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:10 PM

Ed, wonder if the TC2 E III x2 converter might be used with your 70-200 to get you to 400mm with less cost than buying a new longer lens..?



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 02:16 PM

The 2.0 teleconverter is a good idea, but it will still put me 350mm behind what I am use to now with the 200-500 and the D500 (750mm). I might use that combo for my trip to Madagascar though. I have the 1.4 converter and not sure if getting the 2.0 would be worth it. John? Help?



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:42 PM

I would not recommend the 2.0 with the 200-500 or the D500. One losses too much IQ. I had read that but needed to prove it to myself and sure enough even with the 500f4E prime the 2.0 has unacceptable IQ. Also it makes the f4 an f8 which is difficult for wildlife. I think you could use the 2.0 with the D850 and your 70-200 f2.8. It will diminish the IQ but may still give an acceptable image. I think that would make it f5.6 or f6.3 because you will get better IQ if you don't use it wide open. 


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 05:37 PM

I will stay with the 1.4 as I do not think the 2.0 will be a great benefit.  I will do some research, but I do not think there is anyway around buying the 500mm or the 600mm(prob the 600).     :o ahhh  so much money for hobbie. My show car was cheaper.  :(



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 06:29 AM

A few of us here have vehicular interests too Ed, hows about a nice pic of your show car...please.. ? (-:


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:17 AM

D850 hands on review:

..."Why the D850 is, to me, the best wildlife photography camera ever made. With all of the above considered, it simply comes down to one word. Flexibility.
If you’re familiar with my work or blog you’ll know I hold the D810 in very high regard. In my retrospective article, looking back at my favourite Nikon cameras, I said the D810 was my favourite DSLR ever. I owned two of them because I liked it so much, preferring the ease of shooting with identical cameras. I then added a D500 to my bag to fill the speed gap left by the D810’s. I’ve always held that in high regard too and still think the D500 is the best general purpose wildlife camera available. However adding that to my kit list reintroduced the annoyance of having two different cameras with different strengths and weaknesses. The problem is you always have to decide which camera to use and with what lens. This can, and does, lead to missed opportunities. Either from not having time to switch bodies back and forth or not being able to. Changing bodies in adverse weather or a dusty truck in the Maasai Mara isn’t always practical, for example. Even times I simply only want to take one body on a casual shoot. When it comes to what kit is in the camera bag I find the fewer choices you have to make, the less chance there is of missing the moment.
I already know at these early stages that having such a complete and flexible camera is going to result in far fewer missed opportunities. Whatever the scenario, I know I’ll always have the right camera to hand. If you decide to add a D850 to your camera bag it means you can capture stunning, richly detailed, full frame images that translate into breathtaking large prints. Or, you can afford to crop into your images even more, to aid the composition of more distant animals. That will come in handy when there isn’t time to add a teleconverter or you can’t afford to lose light. And with the improved ISO range, that means shooting in even lower light than ever before. None of that is in itself overly new. Being able to do all this with one camera for both static or fast moving subjects and action, is...
Add in silent shooting, tilting screen, improved focus system, better weather sealing and everything else on offer and there really has never been a more capable camera for wildlife photography...You get the gist by now but I’ll wrap my review up by holding no punches…The D850 is the best camera I’ve ever owned. Period. It offers resolution, speed, power, focusing, ergonomics, high ISO performance, build and more. No other DSLR comes even close to offering such a complete, flexible and all round package. Whilst the D810 was my favourite camera, the D850 is my dream camera, exceeding my expectations and then some. It combines the very best parts of Nikons best cameras. Adds new features and, in doing so, unashamedly raises the bar in truly spectacular fashion. In fact, it offers a defining moment in the evolution of DSLRs.

Or to put it another way, for sale: two Nikon D810’s and a D500. One careful (ish) owner."

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:02 PM

Ha, while I was reading that, I thought that it was your personal review of the camera. I hope I get mine with first shipments. I ordered at 8:24est on the 24th.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:09 PM

Pretty sure that guy liked it.



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

Lol,😅

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 11:43 AM

6 more days till relief and excitement (850 has been shipped to me) or 6 do days till sadness and frustration.( they ran out) 🤔. Come one relief, daddy needs a super camera!

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 02:50 AM

Probably a naive question, but anyway:

I read the article on dlsrbodies.com posted by John.  (Thanks, John) :)

 

Does the jist of it mean that a Nikkor 200-500 on a D850 will produce worse photographs than, on say, on a D500, or will the pictures be just no better then those produced by a D500 ?

I realise that a "no better than.." result wouldn't satisfy any serious photographer who is after an upgrade in performance.



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:03 AM

Rod, define please... "serious photographer".... ?  (-:

 

Though perhaps you would be best not to as that could lead to something akin to the Nikon vs Cannon debate...ROFL..   Though I do wonder at such categorizations, given that the differences in PERCEPTIONS of image quality can be so great... and perhaps far more justified by someone printing on a large scale as opposed to a pixel peeper who only ever views and makes judgements on that which he can expand to pixelation level on a laptop or PC monitor...

 

I am far closer to the pixel peeper than the printer, as I think I have only ever printed a very few of my pics, and even then on A4 sized print paper, on my mid range home printer... and I have spent HOW MUCH on kit...!!!   (-:

 

Perhaps I need to invest in a serious photographers larger sized screen..hmm... Apple or Dell or..?

 

NO.. best not start that discussion or risk increasing the prospect of something along the lines of CanNikon poison.. (-:    



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:04 AM

A few of us here have vehicular interests too Ed, hows about a nice pic of your show car...please.. ? (-:

this is a 2004 350z roadster, I bought her in 2005 as a daily driver.  Had some rock chips on the front so I went to get an estimate. 9 months later and $6000.00 less I got this back.   removed all badging reversed the hood, airbrushed all four sides of car( japanese anime called bleach). the image is in Kandy rootbeer so if it is overcast or at night it looks just shiny black car, only in the light does the image popout. Custom painted wheels to match. complete custom audio system( 4000 watts)  There are other mods too like the interior, true 3 inch exhaust all the way.. no cats( test pipes) not muffler(resonators and yes it is too loud, it sounds deep and throaty like a V8 and its fun), a complete nitrous kit with a 125 shot.   She is my baby.. I will keep her forever   

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:19 AM

Very nice indeed Mr Wild, thanks so much for posting. I will reply in more detail in the private section of this forum.



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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

I like how the two wheels are almost perfectly aligned in the side shot by the water (pic #3.) Very nice car. Looks fun to drive. Interior looks sharp.

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

Sweet


Probably a naive question, but anyway:

I read the article on dlsrbodies.com posted by John.  (Thanks, John) :)

 

Does the jist of it mean that a Nikkor 200-500 on a D850 will produce worse photographs than, on say, on a D500, or will the pictures be just no better then those produced by a D500 ?

I realise that a "no better than.." result wouldn't satisfy any serious photographer who is after an upgrade in performance.

 

  • Hopefully this answers your question:
  • Why no 200-500mm f/5.6? Because of the 400-500mm range, particular as you move from the central area. This lens holds up well with DX at these pixel densities, but not FX. But wait a second, you say, can't I just crop my D850 to DX and then the lens should be recommended? Well, true. But if you're buying a 45.4mp camera for 45.4mp my exclusion stands. You might as well save your money and buy a D500 if long telephoto is your focus. So let's be clear: my lens recommendations above are for the full FX frame, the full 45.4mp. 


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:34 PM

ahhhhhh!!   not knowing is occupying all 3 of my braincells!    :wacko:






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