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#1 John W

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:01 AM

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Proving that speed and resolution can indeed coexist, the Nikon D850 is a multimedia DSLR that brings together robust stills capabilities along with apt movie and time-lapse recording. Revolving around a newly designed 45.7MP BSI CMOS sensor and proven EXPEED 5 image processor, the D850 is clearly distinguished by its high resolution for recording detailed imagery. The back-illuminated design of the sensor is able to acquire greater detail and clarity when working in low-light conditions, and the sensor also forgoes an optical low-pass filter for improved sharpness. Working in conjunction with the sensor is the EXPEED 5 image processor, which together afford a 7 fps continuous shooting rate for up to 51 consecutive frames, an expandable sensitivity range from ISO 64 to 102400, and 4K UHD video recording using either a DX crop or the entire area of the full-frame sensor. An 8K time-lapse recording mode is also available, as well as additional specialized recording modes for digitizing film negatives and for focus stacking applications. Benefitting the imaging capabilities is an advanced Multi-CAM 20K 153-point AF system, which debuted with the flagship D5 and offers 99 cross-type sensors for refined focusing accuracy in a variety of lighting conditions. Checking off a number of boxes for multimedia image-makers, the D850 positions itself as not only a high-resolution DSLR but also as a camera for speed, movies, and low-light shooting needs.

Balancing the versatile imaging features, the D850 is also equally refined in its physical design. A large optical pentaprism offering a wide field of view and 0.75x magnification affords photographers a bright, clear, and realistic view for critical shooting needs. Conversely, a 3.2" 2.36m-dot LCD touchscreen is also available for live view shooting, playback, and menu navigation, and features a tilting design to suit working from high and low angles. A weather-sealed design is also employed, to suit working in a variety of environmental conditions, and the optional MB-D18 grip can be added to boost overall shooting times and continuous shooting rates. Additionally, built-in SnapBridge allows for wireless sharing of low-resolution imagery and remote live view use on a linked mobile device, and an optional WT-7a Wireless Transmitter can also be used for faster wireless transferring of files.

 

 

45.7MP FX-Format BSI CMOS Sensor and EXPEED 5 Processor A first for Nikon DSLRs, a 45.7MP BSI CMOS sensor is used for high-resolution shooting, impressive low-light quality, and fast readout speeds to benefit continuous shooting, movies, and time-lapse recording. The back-illuminated design of the sensor affords noticeably cleaner high-sensitivity output for reduced noise when working at high ISO values, up to a native ISO 25600, as well as vivid and smooth quality at sensitivities as low as ISO 64. The sensor's design also omits the conventional optical low-pass filter in order to achieve the greatest sharpness and resolution from the sensor.

Benefitting the sensor is the apt EXPEED 5 image processor, which affords a wealth of speed throughout the camera system, including the ability to shoot continuously at 7 fps for up to 51 consecutive 14-bit lossless compressed raw files in a single burst. When working with the optional MB-D18 grip and EN-EL18a/b battery, this shooting rate can be increased to 9 fps, and up to 30 fps shooting is possible when working in a DX crop mode during Silent Live View. 153-Point Multi-CAM 20K Autofocus System Complementing the rendering capabilities and speed of the image sensor is the robust Multi-CAM 20K AF system, which features 153 total phase-detection points, including 99 cross-type sensors for improved subject recognition, and 55 of the points are selectable for greater compositional freedom. Benefitting the use of super telephoto lenses and teleconverters, 15 of the points, including nine selectable points, are compatible with an effective aperture of f/8, and all 153 points support working with effective aperture of f/5.6 or brighter.

Managing the abundance of focusing points is a dedicated AF engine, which offers quick response times to benefit tracking fast and randomly moving subjects, even at the top 7 fps shooting rate. The AF engine also contributes to enhanced focusing sensitivity, with all points capable of focusing -3 EV for working in very dark, low-contrast situations.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 11:30 AM

Already have mine ordered. Expected shipping date of 7 Sep (right after I return from my vacation :( ).
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Posted 24 August 2017 - 02:23 PM

If the specs are as advertised I don't see a need tokeep my D500. I will loose 1 fps and the 1.4 crop but IQ and detail with the ff should be improved. I keep reading that the in camera focus stacking should be a real positive for landscape.



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 02:28 PM

"In camera" for focus stacking appears to mean the files are stored in a discrete folder. That makes them easy to identify for adding to PS for stacking.

I base this interpretation on the description on Adorama's site.
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Posted 24 August 2017 - 03:30 PM

Tony's D850 video. - 6:23 - 8:59 on focus stacking. 



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 04:22 PM

Ordered mine this morning from my tent in Washington while on vacation. 😀

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 03:31 AM

John... could there be a disadvantage in buying a D800 other than the cost.... your lenses will all shrink in length compared to their capability with your crop sensor... hmm..?  Cost of possible lens "upgrades" to maintain your reach...Ouch !, But then perhaps you can select crop sensor mode in the D850 as I can in the D800..?  (-:



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 08:32 AM

I believe the rule of thumb assuming the same number of pixels is that ff has better IQ if you don't crop. If you have to crop the ff image but you could have captured the image without cropping using a crop sensor camera then you would have better IQ with the crop sensor camera. In this case the D850 has 45+ megapixels vs 20.9 in the D500 so theoretically one could crop the ff image by 1.4 and retain the same IQ.

For everything except wildlife ff will probably be a benefit and compensated by lens choice. With wildlife there will be times I will miss the 1.4X factor. I can make up for it by getting closer, using a 2X extension ( which has its own trade offs ), or buying a 600mm lens. Bottom line: The wildlife photographers I follow all use ff cameras and take amazing high IQ images. Hopefully I will be able to do the same. I linked an article in the general section about the crop factor. The gist of it is that a crop sensor camera has smaller pixels and that a smaller pixel does not record iq data as well as the larger pixel on a ff sensor. 

With birds that have large wing spans like Eagles and Osprey I may actually get more usable images. For small birds I am sure I will wish I had the 1.4 crop factor. I have the option to use the D850 in DX or crop sensor mode so I will have to experiment. 

Most of all it is about being outside and in the right place at the right time. Given a choice between the D5, D850 and D500 I would probably take the D5 for wildlife given the +3fps. The choice between between the D500 and D850 is probably less clear but l I think the ff D850 will have better IQ and I will have to live with the loss of 1fps. 


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 08:58 AM

John, you have obviously done some thorough research...(-:  Find it hard to believe that pics could be any more detailed than those you already post... and it will be interesting to read how the D850 works out for you and the others who have joined the queue... I look forward to being allowed to share the excitement with you guys..(-:


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 12:31 PM

I will be keeping my D500 as a backup for my trips. I will sell my D800 as I start to save for a 600mm lens ( maybe)

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:04 AM

More on focus stacking from Steve Perry:

This new automated focus stacking system in the D850 takes most of the hassle out of the process. You simply tell the camera the distance you want between shots, and it automatically changes the focus from shot to shot until the series is complete (plus it will store the stack in a separate folder on the memory card).

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I’m VERY excited to try this out in the real world, and I’ll give you a demonstration of it in the upcoming full field review. As a bonus, it sounds like this can happen at 5FPS so if you have a subject that’s likely to move this may enable you to get the shot where manually adjusting focus is impractical. (Take that bugs and frogs!)

 

Full review:

https://backcountryg...cations-review/



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:59 AM

Holy...

A D500 demoted to a backup camera ??  What a time to be alive... :o



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 05:59 AM

Holy...

A D500 demoted to a backup camera ??  What a time to be alive... :o

 

lol, its kind of like this. When I get my 600mm ( and I will, its just expensive and my skills are not worthy yet) I can use the D850 on tripod with the 600mm and then use the D500 on my hip with the 200-500. that is the plan anyways. :-)   



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:31 AM

Holy...

A D500 demoted to a backup camera ??  What a time to be alive... :o

I have been thinking about this as well. In a perfect world I would keep the D500 with the 200-500 as a travel /back up as well but it is a lot of money to be tied up in a back up. I heard a professional photographer who was given an advance copy of the D850 to use say that once one sees the higher resolution full frame image it may be a bit of a let down to use an APS-C Sensor but to be debated I am sure. I don't have a back up now so why do I need one going forward. I understand that if you make your living with a camera back ups are required, but for fun? The other issue is decreasing value. Every time they release a new model the value of the previous model decreases. This may be a good time to get in front of that curve although I don't see a D500 upgrade coming out anytime soon. Guessing a D5 upgrade will come out next.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:05 AM

Interesting... I tend to be hype averse and prefer to wait and see, thus likely to be the last out to impress the "neighbours"..(-: If it works out to be as good as the claims that are made of it... I will be expecting to see much improved images from you guys..(-:

 

As for travel, I am the guy who opted for a compact camera on my last trip involving luggage hauling... hmm.

 

Ed, might be worth trying try messing with a 600 zoom fixed at 600mm for a while and see how you like it before buying into the idea of a 600mm Nikkor..  I have seen some 600mm users with a sighting device mounted on top which may be to assist finding the object to put it accurately in the frame.. I suspect to be fixed at 600 may have issues..? 



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:27 AM

The biggest issue that I see is that it is a big lens. The 600 is 17" long and about 8 1/2lbs. Also it costs $12,300.00 dollars so don't drop it. Given that nothing else duplicates it, one needs this lens for maximum reach with the best IQ available. By comparison, the 500mm weighs 6.8lbs, is 15" long and costs $10,300.00. Making the 500 a bit more manageable and less expensive without sacrificing IQ but giving up 100mm of reach. I find the 500 easy enough to pack and use in the field but have 0 experience with its big brother so I don't know how much the extra weight and length would bother me if at all. A wildlife photographer can always use an extra 100mm of reach, especially with full frame so the extra size may be worth the effort and expense.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:42 AM

Interesting... I tend to be hype averse and prefer to wait and see, thus likely to be the last out to impress the "neighbours"..(-: If it works out to be as good as the claims that are made of it... I will be expecting to see much improved images from you guys..(-:

 

As for travel, I am the guy who opted for a compact camera on my last trip involving luggage hauling... hmm.

 

Ed, might be worth trying try messing with a 600 zoom fixed at 600mm for a while and see how you like it before buying into the idea of a 600mm Nikkor..  I have seen some 600mm users with a sighting device mounted on top which may be to assist finding the object to put it accurately in the frame.. I suspect to be fixed at 600 may have issues..? 

 

This has and still is a big dilemma for me. I have used mostly zoom lenses my entire photography career ( 5 months  :blink: ) and I am sure I will love the reach and the clarity of image, but to be fixed on one distance, I am not sure. I know that in using my 200-500 I more often then not need more length and would still need to crop on a 600mm. The 200-500 is more of a run and gun lens because of the versatility and I really like this type of photography.  There is not much prep involved, just grab the camera and go explore. I know now that to get quality shots like John, Matt, and Kris that there is more to it. Whether it is planning out a shoot, having patience, or going to a nature studio to take the shots, these are the some of the things it takes to make the eye popping Nat Geo type of pictures.   rambled a bit.   In North Carolina and in Washington I wish I would've had, well more time, but also the 600mm.  That being said, I still think it is a smart idea to have a second camera when shooting in an area with more than one subject, say on a lake or near the shoreline.  The 600mm and the D850 will be amazing on the stand, but when the otter that you did not know was going to swim by comes within 20 feet of you, you will be glad you had the D500 with 200-500 zoom on your hip, well that or an Iphone  ;)

 

 When I come back from Madagascar in November I will rent one for a week and see how it goes.  The migrating birds should be on their way back by then or here by then. 



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:58 PM

Ed your comment caused me to type in "lens hire in Madagascar".... and up popped a site relating to photography saying that no more than 200mm is required unless you are into birding... though if you can hire a 600mm there it might be interesting...?



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 04:33 AM

I have been thinking about this as well. In a perfect world I would keep the D500 with the 200-500 as a travel /back up as well but it is a lot of money to be tied up in a back up. I heard a professional photographer who was given an advance copy of the D850 to use say that once one sees the higher resolution full frame image it may be a bit of a let down to use an APS-C Sensor but to be debated I am sure. I don't have a back up now so why do I need one going forward. I understand that if you make your living with a camera back ups are required, but for fun? The other issue is decreasing value. Every time they release a new model the value of the previous model decreases. This may be a good time to get in front of that curve although I don't see a D500 upgrade coming out anytime soon. Guessing a D5 upgrade will come out next.

 

If you can buy an USD10000+ lens, then you can also keep an extra body and 200-500 mm lens.

 

You don't want to damage/drop a lens when quickly changing them in the field, it is better to have a backup camera with the secondary lens ready.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 07:22 AM

Interesting read: 

The Best Lenses for the Nikon D850

http://www.dslrbodie...es-for-the.html

and for Geedee

  • 8-15mm f/3.5-4.5E**
  • 14-24mm f/2.8G
  • 16-35mm f/4G
  • 19mm f/4 PC-E**
  • 20mm f/1.8G
  • 24mm f/1.4G
  • 24mm f/1.8G
  • 24mm f/3.5 PC-E
  • 24-70mm f/2.8G*
  • 24-70mm f/2.8E**
  • 24-120mm f/4G*
  • 28mm f/1.8G
  • 35mm f/1.4G
  • 35mm f/1.8G
  • 45mm f/2.8 PC-E
  • 58mm f/1.4G
  • 60mm f/2.8G
  • 70-200mm f/2.8GII*
  • 70-200mm f/2.8E
  • 70-200mm f/4G*
  • 80-400mm f/4-5.6*
  • 85mm f/1.4G
  • 85mm f/1.8G
  • 105mm f/1.4E**
  • 105mm f/2.8G
  • 200mm f/2G
  • 200-400mm f/4G*
  • 300mm f/2.8G
  • 300mm f/4E
  • 400mm f/2.8G or E
  • 500mm f/4G or E
  • 600mm f/4G or E
  • 800mm f/5.6E**





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