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#1 MarkM

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:46 PM

The dew on these colorful pomegranates in the early morning light caught my eye.  I was hand-holding and unfortunately the focus isn't quite there, compounded by the spherical surface of the fruit.  (candidate for focus stacking with a tripod?).  But I love the colors, the dew, and the morning light on the 1st one especially.  (Most importantly, can't wait for them to ripen in a couple months!)

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1.  (4605 "full pom") 70mm, f/8, 1/250 second, ISO 100

2.  (4619 "hanging pom") 65mm, f/5.6, 1/125 second, ISO 100

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 01:51 AM

Hanging pom kinda underlines the theory that plants might be best photographed in flat light as it seems that reflection can reduce detail as the result of reflection exacerbated by a measure of focus issues... Interesting that you think focus stacking might be the way to go as opposed to having a go with improving DOF..?  I have tried a few times to capture flowers and found that for me a tripod is very necessary other than on a bright day. I found the use of a tripod provides much needed time for a more more accurate assessment of that which I hope to capture in-camera. The apparent dynamic range seems better handled in the full pom pic , in that the reflection was in focus and more detailed thus did not appear blown out as in hanging pom ..?

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 02:29 AM

Pomegranates ?  The closest I get to free range fruit these days is a few blackberries that the birds missed, and the neigbour's apples...

Though to do HH but the cloours are great.

Pomegranate schnapps anyone ?



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:49 AM

I realize (now, ☹️) that I could have used a much smaller aperture to increase DOF. Vibration Reduction can only take us so far in HH mode, especially in close-ups like this. Next time I'll bring my tripod. Thanks fellas.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:44 PM

I think tripod and focus stacking is the way to go. I would leave it at f/8 and just focus on different parts and let the software do it's magic. I like the idea of all those tiny sun spots in the first image, they seem to get lost on the second shot, maybe a different angle will show the dew more.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:49 PM

Thanks Vinny.  I just posted a question in the Macro section, about shooting those multiple images for later focus stacking



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 06:31 AM

Mark I would be surprised if you could not capture a far more detailed image of the pomegranates with the kit you have without having to resort to focus stacking..? Of course macro is a different ball game entirely...though I have known of folk using focus stacking in landscape pics...hmm..?



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:32 AM

Geedee, you might be right about those pomegranates. I'll try again with my tripod. All depends on how close I get to the fruit with my lens.
Tony's SDP book has a good chapter on Macro photography. He's got a stunning flower picture where he took about 15 images, changing focus front to back with each image, then stacking in Photoshop. The depth of field is just so narrow in closeup and macro that its near impossible to get a clear image unless the subject is absolutely parallel to the sensor. I'm convinced I've got to learn focus stacking for most close ups.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 10:39 AM

Mark, given the pomegranates pic is not Macro and it seems you want a close up/detailed pic of them I wonder is there a chance that you are getting too close to the extent that you are on the verge of your lenses ability to focus...?  I posted a pic some considerable time back of a small bloom with a water droplet or two on it and it worked out quite well... I used my 70-200 mounted on my very old cheepo ali flip lock tripod..(-:  and cropped the pic to suit.  Jeez even Rod has used his 150-600 to capture a Drip from a distance off... Worth a try...?

 

 

 

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:29 PM

Mark, my photo of water bottle bottoms that is in macro was using extension tubes and stacking.  One thing I noticed with the extension tubes is even changing the focal length can affect the focus, never really felt that without extension tubes. You are correct that with extension tubes (maybe the same with a dedicated macro lens) the DOF is extremely thin.

 

I also did a non macro stacking of a old camera, focusing on various parts to obtain a totally sharp image. Focus stacking can work well in many situations. Here's that photo taken with my  D90, Tokina 35 mm, f/11, 1/10s ISO 200 mounted on a tripod, shutter delay and a wireless trigger. I think it was 5 or 6 shots focused on various parts of the scene.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 10:24 PM

Cool camera and manual, Vinny.
Yeah, I gotta learn focus stacking. Looks like fun! Gotta have patience, that's for sure.
Geedee, yes I think I pushed the limit of my setup, so I need to experiment more with my 24-70. I still however want to try out my extension tubes and get in real close, for some macro-type shots. That's where post production will likely come in handy.
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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:12 AM

Just out of interest in Marks thinking and because the rain finally stopped, I wandered out into the garden to take some flower pics, and try out various settings/lenses...Rather obviously none of the pics was taken with the intention of trying to achieve perfection...not that I could..(-:  Just wanted to learn a bit more and play with my kit..(-: I even took some close up`s with my 150-600 to see how that might work out and at the other end of the scale I used my 50mm with a 12mm extension tube on the same flower... Just passing time..(-:

 

NO PP other than cropping  on the longer focal lengths and picture control set to NEUTRAL on all pics

 

Chewed up yellow flower f 22  1/100th auto ISO 500  [email protected] 600mm tripod mounted but windy

 

followed in numeric order..

 

f 22  1/200th auto  ISO 720  [email protected] 24mm tripod

 

f 8  1/320th  auto ISO  110   [email protected] 70mm

 

f16 1/60th auto ISO 500  50mm + 12mm ext tube  hand held

 

 

 

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:14 PM

Nice job on these Geedee.  The 4th image (purple, close-up, with the extension tube) is the magnification I'm after.  Focus stacking would bring it to "tack sharp" (if that is the goal), but it is darn close already and especially impressive given it was hand held!  Do you remember how close the lens was to the flower...were you at the minimum focus distance for that combo of lens + tube? 



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 02:16 AM

As I typed Mark, those pics were not taken to impress..(-:  Just examples of a variety of options. I have taken very few Macro pics though found my nifty fifty to be able to get what I want so far using a set of autofocus capable extension tubes, though have used manual focus for flowers when hand held it seems simpler to move the camera than mess around trying to focus using the lens..?

 

No argument that if the desire is to get more DOF in Macro then the only way to go is focus stacking, though never done that..just something else on the list of things to try and get the hang of..(-:

 

The front of the lens was really close to the flower though exactly how close was impossible to tell given I was hand held and manual focus was selected allowing me to move fractionally forward or backwards by a tiny amount to alter the focal point. Much the same goes for your question of focal range of the lens and tube combo given I was hand held and with minimal DOF there is so much out of focus it would be hard to tell probably taking a lot of time and minute measurements...?

 

Attached a less than arty use of my limited Macro requirements... again with the nifty fifty and ext tube.  Should have entered it in C&T`s reflections show last night... just bound to have received a PICK..? (-:

 

f1.4   1/10th  ISO 100 Nikkor 50mm + ext tube though can`t remember which or how many tubes Tripod mounted. 

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