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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:06 PM

I love the second pick myself.. maybe a little overdone. background is blownout, but I like that and I think the bird shows a lot more detail..   auto tone 1.0 exp, -.25 cont, +57whites, -40 blacks then +57 saturation, +35 vibrance

 

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34884343274_7d2dd4c118_b.jpgDSC_8597-2 by edward Perry, on Flickr

 

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35594433571_986ab91af3_b.jpgDSC_8597 by edward Perry, on Flickr



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:45 PM

It is a good image but underexposed. You had enough light so +0.7ev might have been better here. I am simple and probably don't understand artistic nuance but 57 on the saturation is really out there on a wildlife image. I took a class with a retired but very active National Geographic photographer who said he never uses the saturation slider on any image, he finds it too strong. He adjusts with vibrance and clarity but never uses saturation. I sometimes use saturation +2 on eyes but otherwise never on the entire image. To me a wildlife image should stay close to the original scene but like Kerry said " And that, John, is why there is chocolate and vanilla." All good. 

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:15 PM

Edited with a more conservative look.     I like believe there is a place for both and I for me when I adjust the picture to where I know it is impossible to get that result in the true life, then it is photographic art.  I am ok at this point in time at calling it a photograph if it can be duplicated by mother nature.  Keep in mind, I am new to this and have not taken any classes.. yet. 

 

35728581895_447851db6d_b.jpgDSC_8597-3 by edward Perry, on Flickr


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 03:01 AM

Nice bird, good scene, difficult light...PP a must I guess...?  I have loads of pics of scenes that are beyond the camera`s dynamic range capabilities in fact I suspect beyond the dynamic range of any camera...but it seems you are fortunate to have a camera with leading edge dynamic range (?)  and yet it seems it is still no match for the human eye...? Which brings me on to the real or fake discussion to some degree....

 

If one seeks to replicate the scene captured as you saw it then in order to make up for the cameras failings one has to employ PP processes to try to balance the light in the way our eyes might, but with so many sliders just how to do that leaves me in a muddle, but as John typed, I guess t`is perhaps best to try to apply minimal adjustments on the sliders until you get used to what each may do and how their combined usage may alter the image.... but then I have close to zero skill in that area.

 

Fake... A strong judgement, and perhaps more used by those inclined to hold fundamentalist outlooks..?  I hope Matt does not mind me using one of his wonderful images as an example of obvious PP usage, I`m thinking of the lovely little puppy pics on a completely white backdrop, obviously not a "natural" setting but turned a photograph into a work of art.. Now whether Mat used a white sheet and a bit of PP or used PP processes entirely to white out everything other than the puppy... I know not, but what a lovely image he created.

 

I suspect it is perhaps best not to get hung up trying to create datums where art is involved...?  Me..? I am slow to learn and one step at a time is my usual way trying to get it as best I can in-camera was thought to be a first step that suited ME, yup you can call that fundamental thinking.... hmm... confusion reigns...(-:   perhaps just best to enjoy the learning process..(-:


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 03:14 AM

That's interesting.

In Tony's PS and LR books he cautions against the use of the saturation adjustment, preferring, as John said, clarity and vibrance.

Unless you're going for a particular look, of course.

Is there a wider crop of the image ?  I'm thinking along the lines of a Japanese print, with everything blown out except the heron and some water ripples and a cherry blossom branch (of course).

And a stupid question: is the thin plume on the bird's tail a feature of the species ?  It keeps drawing my eye. 


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:00 AM



That's interesting.

In Tony's PS and LR books he cautions against the use of the saturation adjustment, preferring, as John said, clarity and vibrance.

Unless you're going for a particular look, of course.

Is there a wider crop of the image ?  I'm thinking along the lines of a Japanese print, with everything blown out except the heron and some water ripples and a cherry blossom branch (of course).

And a stupid question: is the thin plume on the bird's tail a feature of the species ?  It keeps drawing my eye. 

The first image is not cropped at all. and the plume is is a feature   

 

you can see it a little better in this pic 

 

35692234296_4378ff03f5_b.jpgDSC_8587 by edward Perry, on Flickr



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:12 AM

Very nice images! I would boost the Shadows even more but apply noise reduction as needed. The saturation is fine but on the first set of images I would desaturate the blue that's in the water. You can do this with a brush in Lightroom and/or by creating a second layer in Photoshop and using a mask. It's going to take practice to learn how much you can over-and-under exposed by without going too far. On still subjects don't be afraid to bracket and blend images in Photoshop. If it's a little too much for you at this point just use the HDR mode on your camera.
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Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

Very nice images! I would boost the Shadows even more but apply noise reduction as needed. The saturation is fine but on the first set of images I would desaturate the blue that's in the water. You can do this with a brush in Lightroom and/or by creating a second layer in Photoshop and using a mask. It's going to take practice to learn how much you can over-and-under exposed by without going too far. On still subjects don't be afraid to bracket and blend images in Photoshop. If it's a little too much for you at this point just use the HDR mode on your camera.

 

 

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