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#1 John W

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:13 AM

I am slowly becoming less afraid of noise. Doug's Green Heron post made me think about it and I went back to this shot taken a few weeks ago. It is basically full frame and ISO 5000. In my experience black feathers and dark areas can be the worst offenders for noise so I thought this example might be worth a try. The original out of the camera is not bad but at 1:1 shows a good deal of noise. After basic light room adjustments I moved it to PS and isolated the bird and perch from the background. I applied the smart sharpening filter 70% with 50% noise reduction to the subject (normally might use 80% / 5% ). Then inverted and applied the noise reduction filter @100% to the background. Not bad for a black bird at ISO 5000? A couple of thoughts about noise. It is better to have a slightly noisy sharp image than a less noisy soft image. Higher shutter speeds often mean higher ISO but higher shutter speeds often result in sharper images. Cropping and or raising exposure in post makes noise worse. To take usable images at higher ISO's get close, fill the view finder and get the exposure right in the camera. The D500 handles higher ISO remarkably well for a crop sensor. Gitzo 4552L monopd, 1/1000, f6.3, auto ISO - 5000, +0.7ev, 500 f4E + 1.4III extender, D500. cc

I can't get these to load in the order I want them to: 1 is basic LR edits no nr - 2 is original with no edits - 3 is PS edited version, 4 is 3 plus added a bit of space to the lhs. The differences are subtle here and more obvious at full resolution.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:18 AM

IMO, I'd rather see a slightly noisy sharp shot.

 

That's a nice looking bird (that we don't get) and a nice image :)


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:44 AM

Thanks Matt. RWBB are one the most common birds I see locally. They are loud as well. I am not sure what this one was telling me but he was saying something. 



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

Perfectly posed pic nicely framed up too... When it comes to criticism of PP I am out of my depth, and I view this forum on a matt screen laptop with old eyes...However the first pic is my favoured one... go figure.. as my American cousins oft times type..?



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 11:19 AM

Very nice John, those buggers are tough, I agree with you guys that some noise to salvage sharpness is a good thing!



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

I can definitely see the difference between the original and the LR version, but between LR and PS I can only see a slight difference in the tail.  Great job of salvaging a pic, and thank you for sharing the ISO v sharpness info..   That is the direction that I am going to lean on tonight when I go out and tomorrow afternoon ( I got a Friday off and it is suppose to be mostly sunny :-) )   I have taken many pics of the red wing black bird and they are all, well, they suck  :wacko:    Thank you for sharing that John.. I am going to have to buy you a beer or soda some time.  



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 02:48 PM

Thanks guys. I should add it was windy that day and I was forced to use a higher ss than I might have on a calm day given the available light. Not suggesting shooting ISO 5000 as a good idea, just that it should not prevent one from taking the shot. A cold beer sounds good. 


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:05 PM

Very nice john! Post work is all about experimentation.
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

Nice John.  You got him is full squawk !

Your NR technique intrigues me - will give it a shot.  I just happen to have about 400 GB worth of noisy pictures.



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

Thanks Rod. It is a poor mans nr version of the method that Arthur Morris and Arash Hazeghi developed. They do the same thing, isolating the subject from the bg in PS, but use NeatImage instead of the PS noise reduction filter. According to Arash NeatImage uses a mathematical approach to reduce noise and is superior to other software . They also don't just apply it to the entire subject or bg but isolate an area in each first and NeatImage determines the correct amount of nr needed. If I ever get several days with nothing else going on I may try to tackle their technique but this is quick and works well to my eye. Arash once commented on an image I posted of an Eagle in flight saying my ss was too low. He said to always shoot bif  at or above 1/3200 and not to worry about ISO less than 5000. He also shoots with and recommends a ff camera so it makes sense that he would be more comfortable with higher ISO. 



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

Thanks John.

I had a look at their offerings and the results speak for themselves.  A bit pricey for me ( I still have my Confirmation money, as they say over here).

I get the convenience of panels and add-ons but I like to learn the manual methods in PS.

Blake Rudis at f64Academy promotes a good technique that used the Blend If control in PS.

He does NR and sharpening with it.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:14 AM

Nice and Sharp , a lot sharper than mine 

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