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#1 dhampson

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 07:51 PM

Hi Friends - I'm seeking help and advise for some very soft (not sharp) soccer photos that I took today.

 

The basics:

 

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Canon Extender 1.4x (just used for the first time today)

Settings:  1/2000, F4.0, Auto ISO (100 - 320), AWB, 7 FPS Burst Mode, AI Servo, Single Point Focus

 

I've had the 70-200 for about 6 months now and it's the best money I ever spent. Tony's general recommendation to put money into lenses rather than bodies (if you have to choose) couldn't have been better advise for me. I've shot many of my daughter's soccer games and the images have been really excellent and very sharp. But I was always wishing for more range into the field - the 200 mm only takes you so far. While watching a sports YouTube video hosted by Scott Kelby he suggested using BorrowLenses.com to rent equipment for testing it out. Thinking this was a great idea, I rented the Canon Extender 1.4X for my 70D/70-200 2.8 kit. Well, essentially all the 500 photos I took today I'd be ashamed of posting online for the team and parents. The problem - very soft images, in focus but not sharp at all. The only variable that's changed is the addition of this 1.4X extender. To the best of my knowledge I installed it correctly and all connections were tight and secure. I inspected the extender prior to using it and all the glass seemed clean and smudge free. What do you think went wrong?

 

I've attached a sample image from this game. I don't know if you'll be able to evaluate the sharpness but it's nothing like the sharp images I get with just the 70-200 attached directly to the 70D.

 

Thank you - Dave

 

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 03:46 AM

That's just what happens with extenders and zoom lenses, it's as simple as that.

I had I Canon 100-400 mk2 and it didn't like my mk3 1.4x extender.

The same extender on my 400mm f/2.8 works a treat.
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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:22 PM

Thanks Happy - appreciate your response. I am surprised though that there is no warning in the descriptions regarding soft image possibility. I need to do more research on this. As a final last gasp, I'll bring these photos into Lightroom and apply any lens profiles available to hope for some improvement. Fall soccer season is now over but will resume in the spring. For that, I think I'm going to buy the Canon 100-400 mk2 for some additional reach into the field.



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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:58 PM

D Hampson you my be able to solve your issues if you camera allows micro adjustments on the lens. The 7d-mkii allow this, not sure about the 70D.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 04:22 AM

The 7d-mkii allow this, not sure about the 70D.

 

Yes it does  B)


Thanks Happy - appreciate your response. I am surprised though that there is no warning in the descriptions regarding soft image possibility. I need to do more research on this. As a final last gasp, I'll bring these photos into Lightroom and apply any lens profiles available to hope for some improvement. Fall soccer season is now over but will resume in the spring. For that, I think I'm going to buy the Canon 100-400 mk2 for some additional reach into the field.

 

Don't get me wrong, I got some wonderful shots with the 100-400 and 1.4 converter combo, but at the end of the day, it does affect image quality.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 10:52 AM

Seems some extenders are supposedly claimed to be matched to a particular lens, even some zoom lenses,  whereas other lenses are advised by their manufacturers as NOT to be used with extenders, such as the Tamron 150-600 zoom.  Dave don`t be too surprised that manufacturers don't tell you about the downsides of any piece of kit they are selling.... I think that there is loads of comment on the potential quality loss when an extender is in use but not by those trying to sell them.... Me..? I bought a 2x extender for my then new and latest version of the much lauded Nikkor 70-200 2.8, which in a relatively short period of time has been upgraded to a newer version the version I have having been identified as having focus breathing issues... so now my version II has been superseded as the result of issues... Oh well at least I have version III of the x2 extender.... perhaps there is a version IV  in the pipeline to match the version III 70-200 2.8.... and so it goes...???

 

Extenders can work a treat though it seems X2 may be just be expecting too much even X1.7 may be considered a stage too far with some lenses.... though having seen some of the pics posted here taken using 400mm primes and converters that blew my socks off, it seems there is no substitutes for smart gear selection  to capture a specific range of subjects..? 



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 06:56 PM

Seems some extenders are supposedly claimed to be matched to a particular lens, even some zoom lenses,  whereas other lenses are advised by their manufacturers as NOT to be used with extenders, such as the Tamron 150-600 zoom.  Dave don`t be too surprised that manufacturers don't tell you about the downsides of any piece of kit they are selling.... I think that there is loads of comment on the potential quality loss when an extender is in use but not by those trying to sell them.... Me..? I bought a 2x extender for my then new and latest version of the much lauded Nikkor 70-200 2.8, which in a relatively short period of time has been upgraded to a newer version the version I have having been identified as having focus breathing issues... so now my version II has been superseded as the result of issues... Oh well at least I have version III of the x2 extender.... perhaps there is a version IV  in the pipeline to match the version III 70-200 2.8.... and so it goes...???

 

Extenders can work a treat though it seems X2 may be just be expecting too much even X1.7 may be considered a stage too far with some lenses.... though having seen some of the pics posted here taken using 400mm primes and converters that blew my socks off, it seems there is no substitutes for smart gear selection  to capture a specific range of subjects..? 

 

 

I guess I was a bit naive thinking that a Canon extender 1.4x would just automatically work extremely well with their 70-200 2.8. It really didn't work well and I was shocked when I saw the difference of the photos using the 1.4x compared to directly mounting the 70-200 on my EOS 70D. Anyway, I was able to salvage my soccer photos to about, I would say, 80-85% of normal by tweaking contrast, clarity and sharpening settings in Lightroom CC. Thanks geedee for your comment. Also, thanks to P Bender for the excellent suggestion of trying the micro lens adjustment. I'll need to read up on that.


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