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#1 rospondek

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:18 AM

Easy as that. Any suggestions for D500 flash?

My first flash ever (so have to learn how to use it) but I don't think I'll buy another one anytime soon so I'm not looking for anything cheap and basic :)

 

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Not for studio! Indoor and outdoor events and portraits.

 

You can also list any remotes and anything connected to the flash as I'm totally green on this field :)

 

And please nothing that is not continued. I know that few old flashes became classics but I don't want anything I can't actually buy :)



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Posted 26 October 2016 - 12:53 PM

http://www.ishootsho...00-and-sb-5000/

 

I am also looking into a flash for my D500, also not well versed in flash use.  I've always leaned toward Nikon equipment but know there is some good after market stuff out there.  I have read several reviews and am probably going to get the Nikon SB 5000.  Check out the link above, the first part is about the D500, scroll down to find the part on the flash.

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 01:10 PM

For now I won't say anything besides thanks ;)

Waiting for more to discuss :)


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 01:28 PM

To learn how to flash I got the Yongnuo YN685N and the YN622N wireless Tx.

Cheaper that Nikon and very versatile.

(Still not great at using it.. )


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 05:55 PM

Unless you want to show off and spend 3 times the money for a very very very similar performance, get the Nikon.
Otherwise, the second best thing out there is a Yongnuo.
Either the old and trusty YN-568EX for Nikon, or the new YN-685 for Nikon ( a little bit more powerful than the already blindingly powerful 568EX )



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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:00 PM

Unless you want to show off and spend 3 times the money for a very very very similar performance, get the Nikon.
Otherwise, the second best thing out there is a Yongnuo.
Either the old and trusty YN-568EX for Nikon, or the new YN-685 for Nikon ( a little bit more powerful than the already blindingly powerful 568EX )

Bill, I see you have both the Nikon and the Yongnuo (I think the SB 910 is the predecessor to the SB 5000), curious as to why? 



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Posted 27 October 2016 - 04:25 AM

I initially purchased the Nikon because I wanted to have a definitely very reliable workhorse in my bag, and then, since they were rather cheap, I ordered a YN-568EX to see how they do.

Once I found out that it was truly equally good to the Nikon, I ordered some more YN-568EXs for my lighting needs.

 

The SB-5000 is the new top dog on the Nikon front, yet, it is a little less powerful than the Yongnuo YN-685.



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Posted 27 October 2016 - 05:24 PM

Thanks Bill, I always wonder if the specialty brands interface or communicate as well because of the advanced controls and capabilities of cameras like the D4 and D5, D810, D500 and others.  Huge price difference in this case, I think I saw the YN 568 EX for about 80 bucks, can that be right?!!



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Posted 28 October 2016 - 05:57 AM

So I see the fight between Yongnuo and Nikon. Anyone have idea why the difference in price is so enormous? In Poland SL is 5 times more expensive than YN? Literally 5 times.Previous YN model is 10 times cheaper...



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Posted 28 October 2016 - 07:01 AM

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Posted 28 October 2016 - 04:49 PM

R You sure?



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Posted 28 October 2016 - 05:06 PM

@elcab18

 

The price difference is a necessity as most of the people out there are brand loyal and afraid to buy anything that doesn't come from their camera's manufacturer.

 

There's a similar price advantage on lenses too, think Tamron 15-30 which is a freakingly fantastic lens that actually beats the legendary Nikon 14-24 which used to be the king of ultra-wide lenses.

Compare the price of the Tamron 15-30 with the Nikon 14-24.

 

The wireless features are compatible with the proper model with the wireless controler + receiver built in like the YN-685EX for Nikon.

 

To use the built-in wireless speedlight capabilities of the high-end Nikon models you need a Nikon flash.

However, everything the Nikon wireless system does, can be done with the Yongnuo wireless system and... of course it is a whole freaking lot cheaper ( while comparable in performance and reliability ).

 

 

R You sure?

 

Please stay away from that nutcase who's knowledge of photography boils down to just... having the gear ( is it his ? borrowed or whatever ? I don't care, problem is that's where his knowledge regarding photography stops ).



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Posted 29 October 2016 - 01:04 AM

He is dumber than Forrest Gump.
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Posted 29 October 2016 - 03:44 AM

Why so harsh Bill? I was only pointing the 'Made in China' part. Nothing more.

 

@JestePhotography

Oh c'mon, Forrest wasn't so dumb ;) He was just single-minded and straightforward :)

 

The Tamron reference wasn't so good. The difference in price isn't so enormous as with the speedlights. At least in Poland. Tamron $1250, Nikon $2000. Speedlight $550 vs $120($50).

And it is hard to compare different focal length lenses. You can't argue that Nikon is making awesome glasses so you cant's say that for that $2k you will get bad lens. We all know trinity of 2.8 lenses is holy grail for every Nikon user. I've got one of them and so far the only bad photos I got was my fault, not the lenses ;)

 

I'm just wondering this difference with flashes. Is it with the compatibility? Battery life?

Maximum flash speed I saw SB-5000 at 1/38 820s and YN is fastest at 1/20 000, recycle speed 2 times slower in YN. So it is not that it is the same. But still have no idea if any of this numbers matters :D



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Posted 29 October 2016 - 03:58 AM

Read the review at FlashHavoc and you'll find out more.

 

The 568EX for example with the Eneloop Pro batteries is barely slower in recycle time at Full power output compared to the SB-910 with the same batteries.

 

Unless you shoot weddings in burst mode ( only amateurs ), even a 1s slower recycle time isn't a problem ( and nobody does full power at weddings unless he is clueless ).

 

Battery life is awesome, can't tell the difference without testing, who knows, maybe one day I'll stick to flashing the... flashes to compare the battery life.

 

The SB-910 is marginally better than the 568EX ( and even less compared to the 685, which is a little higher on the power output ), if we accept the 550$ price of the Nikon ( which is outrageous, since I know the cost of the materials and can approximate the cost of manufacturing ) and believe that people would buy 3rd party flashes even at higher prices, a fair price for the Yongnuo would've been 400$ ( 150$ cheaper than the SB-910 ).

If you want it the other way around, the Yongnuo at 120$ and the Nikon at 270$.



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Posted 29 October 2016 - 02:21 PM

Yongnuo YN 568 EX and couple accessories on the way!!  (to my house) :D

 

Even though I didn't start this thread, thanks for the info!


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 06:55 PM

Got my Yongnuo YN 568 EX flash, 2 transceivers and a wireless tx controller, testing and practicing right now, very cool!


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 04:20 PM

OK so I know everything and, guess what, still have no idea what to do :D

I guess I'll start with the cheap one to see how it works and how to shoot with it. But I've got one doubt.

 

Shooting photos on events give me a great numbers of photos (for me it is about 500-700 photos per event day) in not spray and pray mode. Events usually lasts for 8 hours and a lot is happening, that's why there are so big numbers (or maybe they're small?). Anyway I was always pretty annoyed when in the dark room somebody was making photos with flash. And I guess there are more such a people like me. There are no problems when it is couple of them but couple of hundred. It is starting to be really annoying and distracting.

 

With my D500 I'm always shooting at high speed mode with one shot for wide shots or any static not important shot and 3 shots when photographing people. Blinking is undetectable during shooting and so quick that now I can see that one of three shots is always with the eyes open and with pretty decent face. Now how it will work with the three flashes one after another?

D500 works fine in dark rooms but of course flash helps to destroy hard shadows and remove strange lighting.

 

Anyone with the experience on this field? I mean flashes on long dark events.



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Posted 25 November 2016 - 05:57 PM

I shoot semi-dark ( could be considered dark, don't know how dark your events are ) latin parties in clubs here in Greece.

500-700 per event is not uncommon.

Any serious event/club photographer does pretty much that many clicks each time.
Only people I see shooting less are very bad, terrible, very cheap event photographers who are hired for dirt cheap from the venue which doesn't care about having good photos & nice moments, rather than just 80 final shots with chicks posing statically.

 

Flash or no flash is no issue for me, and I like doing both, the non-flash gives your photo a better sense of the dancefloor with the lasers & spotlights, while flash shots give you a more proper lighting on the dancers but decreased "club feel" ( you can do about 1/64 to 1/32 flash output combined with 2kISO and a short exposure ( I've been all the way down to 1/50s since they dance relatively fast here ) and get a mix of flash lighting and club lighting if you feel like mixing it up.

 

My main problem with the event organizers here is when they demand a non-artistic approach, some like artistic photos ( and the same goes for the dancers, they like the fact that since I am a dancer myself I capture them in nice poses and at the very right moment ), some organizers like to capture and publish "garbage" photos as I call them, photos that only show plenty of people dancing, in essence hiding their customer amount from their competition.

 

p.s. In the beginning I was doing short fast bursts ( CH ) for very dynamic moments to ensure a good pose & open eyes, the more I shot however, now I'm more picky and in the end, without shooting bursts ( nearly at all ) I don't mind a closed eye because I'm pretty sure that I've captured the same dancers from the same dance on another good pose, or have the dancers separate ( dancing with other partners ) in a decent pose from later/earlier on.



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Posted 31 December 2016 - 03:21 PM

Great discussion of full-size flashes/ hybrids.

 

Any recommendation of a "compact flash"? Something that is just comparable to having on-camera flash.  

 

For walk around. Not for professional use of course.







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